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		<title>Comment on Park Plans – latest developments by Phil Bale</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/07/29/park-plans-latest-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compete rubbish about the area from the London Evening Standard!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23863850-10-years-on-child-gangs-still-terrorise-estate-where-damilola-taylor-was-killed.do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compete rubbish about the area from the London Evening Standard!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23863850-10-years-on-child-gangs-still-terrorise-estate-where-damilola-taylor-was-killed.do" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23863850-10-years-on-child-gangs-still-terrorise-estate-where-damilola-taylor-was-killed.do</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by Des Waters, head of public realm</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Des Waters, head of public realm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throughout July we’ve been gathering your views on the latest proposals for Burgess Park, and incorporating them with the extensive consultation we’ve been doing over the last 16 months (more than 25 events and over one thousand responses in various forms). 

Some proposals have been supported, but there are others you were concerned about, and we have listened to you. We&#039;ve proposed some changes and you still have until the end of this week to have your say. 

Tell us what you think by Friday 30 July - send comments to des.waters@southwark.gov.uk 

View the proposed amendments set in the final consultation by visiting www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2418/burgess_park_presentation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throughout July we’ve been gathering your views on the latest proposals for Burgess Park, and incorporating them with the extensive consultation we’ve been doing over the last 16 months (more than 25 events and over one thousand responses in various forms). </p>
<p>Some proposals have been supported, but there are others you were concerned about, and we have listened to you. We&#8217;ve proposed some changes and you still have until the end of this week to have your say. </p>
<p>Tell us what you think by Friday 30 July &#8211; send comments to <a href="mailto:des.waters@southwark.gov.uk">des.waters@southwark.gov.uk</a> </p>
<p>View the proposed amendments set in the final consultation by visiting <a href="http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2418/burgess_park_presentation" rel="nofollow">http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2418/burgess_park_presentation</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by Des Waters, head of public realm</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Des Waters, head of public realm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funding like this doesn’t come around very often and this project is a once in a lifetime opportunity. 

You supported the bid, now do you support the plans? 

Come to the next public meeting and let us know. 20 July: Thurlow lodge from 5pm to 7pm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funding like this doesn’t come around very often and this project is a once in a lifetime opportunity. </p>
<p>You supported the bid, now do you support the plans? </p>
<p>Come to the next public meeting and let us know. 20 July: Thurlow lodge from 5pm to 7pm</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by sue amos</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>sue amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The World Garden and Chumleigh continue to be managed separately from the rest of the park which is why they look so beautiful. They are also not maintained by Quadron. You only have to look at the flowerbed directly outside, but in front of Chumleigh to notice the difference.

Re revitalisation. The Friends certainly do not wish to block development. We certainly don&#039;t want to see money thrown away. Yet we also don&#039;t want to see the money wasted on elements that are extremely expensive and offer little in return.
The whole project has been rushed through, with us constantly being told what we are going to get. We haven&#039;t been convinced that real consultation has taken place. 
Consultation shouldn&#039;t consist of showing people pretty pictures and saying you can have this or what you&#039;ve got now. It should be about genuinely finding out what peoples aspirations and needs are.

The &#039;late stage&#039; is the realisation after long thought and consideration of the plans that some elements  are ill conceived and won&#039;t enhance the park. It is also the fact that Southwark have failed to listen. There is no fear of change or loss of control involved, just the simple fact that we want the money spent wisely.

In consultation with Southwark we have already discovered several elements they themselves have not considered properly and are reconsidering.

For example, why does levelling the small hills by the lake become the only way to create disabled access? This is the reason Southwark have given for their removal. When it was pointed out that although overgrown (lack of maintenance) the hills shield the lake form the prevailing wind, making it a pleasant place to be, this was acknowledged. When suggested that people who live in hilly areas don&#039;t blast away hillsides to create disabled access, but build in appropriate pathways to accommodate this, this was also acknowledged.

Southwark very recently spent over £1M constructing a new playground. Quite how they managed to spend that amount of money on such a poorly designed and implemented space is astonishing.

The thought of this happening again is driving the issues we now raise. 

No one is suggesting that no compromise takes place. We have simply argued that the process of change work from the bottom up rather than &#039;top down&#039;. Would we rather have functional lighting, adequate rubbish removal, new trees, beautiful wildlife areas, a smart park that works rather than all the money go on fancy entrances, acres of fenced off sports fields, swimming lakes and acres of ornamental gardens.

Re the meeting on the 17th, I&#039;m working that day but I will see if someone else can go, as we would like to reassure you that we are not anti improvement but like all local residents, want the best park we can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The World Garden and Chumleigh continue to be managed separately from the rest of the park which is why they look so beautiful. They are also not maintained by Quadron. You only have to look at the flowerbed directly outside, but in front of Chumleigh to notice the difference.</p>
<p>Re revitalisation. The Friends certainly do not wish to block development. We certainly don&#8217;t want to see money thrown away. Yet we also don&#8217;t want to see the money wasted on elements that are extremely expensive and offer little in return.<br />
The whole project has been rushed through, with us constantly being told what we are going to get. We haven&#8217;t been convinced that real consultation has taken place.<br />
Consultation shouldn&#8217;t consist of showing people pretty pictures and saying you can have this or what you&#8217;ve got now. It should be about genuinely finding out what peoples aspirations and needs are.</p>
<p>The &#8216;late stage&#8217; is the realisation after long thought and consideration of the plans that some elements  are ill conceived and won&#8217;t enhance the park. It is also the fact that Southwark have failed to listen. There is no fear of change or loss of control involved, just the simple fact that we want the money spent wisely.</p>
<p>In consultation with Southwark we have already discovered several elements they themselves have not considered properly and are reconsidering.</p>
<p>For example, why does levelling the small hills by the lake become the only way to create disabled access? This is the reason Southwark have given for their removal. When it was pointed out that although overgrown (lack of maintenance) the hills shield the lake form the prevailing wind, making it a pleasant place to be, this was acknowledged. When suggested that people who live in hilly areas don&#8217;t blast away hillsides to create disabled access, but build in appropriate pathways to accommodate this, this was also acknowledged.</p>
<p>Southwark very recently spent over £1M constructing a new playground. Quite how they managed to spend that amount of money on such a poorly designed and implemented space is astonishing.</p>
<p>The thought of this happening again is driving the issues we now raise. </p>
<p>No one is suggesting that no compromise takes place. We have simply argued that the process of change work from the bottom up rather than &#8216;top down&#8217;. Would we rather have functional lighting, adequate rubbish removal, new trees, beautiful wildlife areas, a smart park that works rather than all the money go on fancy entrances, acres of fenced off sports fields, swimming lakes and acres of ornamental gardens.</p>
<p>Re the meeting on the 17th, I&#8217;m working that day but I will see if someone else can go, as we would like to reassure you that we are not anti improvement but like all local residents, want the best park we can get.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by EQ CHAIR</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>EQ CHAIR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one would detract from the sterling work carried out by invaluable groups like yours over the last decade or more. Without them, Burgess Park would be a poorer place. However, we now have the offer of once-in-a-lifetime investment and meaningful change. It would be perverse (unforgivable, actually) to risk throwing that chance away.

You mention the Dry Garden and its parlous state - but it is not the only area of formal planting in Burgess Park. For some reason you overlook the World Garden and complex at Chumleigh Gdns. This is actually the only real example of a proper flower garden - and is far and away the most loved and valued part of the park. It is also immaculate and always well-maintained. Where there are showcase beds and borders that are a source of pride (think Peckham Rye Park and Dulwich Park), their maintenance is a priority and a given.

Our members are not naive - we know that £4.5 million is enough to implement only a fraction of the Masterplan. That&#039;s why we too have worked hard to come up with a list of priorities that addresses our residents&#039; needs (surprise, surprise, our list of essentials mirrors yours: play, safety, maintenance and wildlife). We also know that the Council&#039;s record on upkeep is poor. You only have to look at the public disgrace that is Central Venture to see that. However, via the consultation process, we have forcibly made the point that we don&#039;t want to see wholesale ripping up of Burgess Park only to watch the project grind to a halt, leaving an even worse mess. We have also stressed the need for adequate long-term upkeep and raised various other issues.

What is unfathomable to our members and other local residents, is that groups who have been custodians of the park, who have cried out for more investment, who want to see the best for the park and its users are using blocking tactics. To raise concerns and objections or make suggestions is one thing. To step in at this late stage with a major campaign that has the potential to cause the return of millions of pounds earmarked for us to be returned to Boris is quite another.

It smacks of fear. Fear of change and perhaps even fear of losing control. 

Meantime, I repeat our offer of coming to one of our meetings to tell us more about Friends of Burgess Park and the good work you do: next one is at the cafe in Chumleigh Gardens on Saturday 17th July: 10:30 am. Do join us for coffee and a chat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one would detract from the sterling work carried out by invaluable groups like yours over the last decade or more. Without them, Burgess Park would be a poorer place. However, we now have the offer of once-in-a-lifetime investment and meaningful change. It would be perverse (unforgivable, actually) to risk throwing that chance away.</p>
<p>You mention the Dry Garden and its parlous state &#8211; but it is not the only area of formal planting in Burgess Park. For some reason you overlook the World Garden and complex at Chumleigh Gdns. This is actually the only real example of a proper flower garden &#8211; and is far and away the most loved and valued part of the park. It is also immaculate and always well-maintained. Where there are showcase beds and borders that are a source of pride (think Peckham Rye Park and Dulwich Park), their maintenance is a priority and a given.</p>
<p>Our members are not naive &#8211; we know that £4.5 million is enough to implement only a fraction of the Masterplan. That&#8217;s why we too have worked hard to come up with a list of priorities that addresses our residents&#8217; needs (surprise, surprise, our list of essentials mirrors yours: play, safety, maintenance and wildlife). We also know that the Council&#8217;s record on upkeep is poor. You only have to look at the public disgrace that is Central Venture to see that. However, via the consultation process, we have forcibly made the point that we don&#8217;t want to see wholesale ripping up of Burgess Park only to watch the project grind to a halt, leaving an even worse mess. We have also stressed the need for adequate long-term upkeep and raised various other issues.</p>
<p>What is unfathomable to our members and other local residents, is that groups who have been custodians of the park, who have cried out for more investment, who want to see the best for the park and its users are using blocking tactics. To raise concerns and objections or make suggestions is one thing. To step in at this late stage with a major campaign that has the potential to cause the return of millions of pounds earmarked for us to be returned to Boris is quite another.</p>
<p>It smacks of fear. Fear of change and perhaps even fear of losing control. </p>
<p>Meantime, I repeat our offer of coming to one of our meetings to tell us more about Friends of Burgess Park and the good work you do: next one is at the cafe in Chumleigh Gardens on Saturday 17th July: 10:30 am. Do join us for coffee and a chat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by sue amos</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>sue amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of community groups do in fact support the position of the Burgess Park Action Group, including the Friends of Burgess Park who have done considerable work consulting with the local community over the past 2 years. We have worked hard with other groups to arrive at a consensus, to suggest that Southwark Council spend the money on the essentials. 
If only the £30M pounds Southwark say they need to complete the masterplan was available. We could all sleep at night. Unfortunately, there is only a guarantee of £4.5M, and surely we would like the money spent in the most useful and practical way. 
More money may come, but when? 5 years? 10 years?
£100&#039;s of thousands of pounds have been spent over the last 10 years improving the park. Do you really think it&#039;s sensible to trash this work? Many local people have been involved in planting and maintaining these projects. It&#039;s not their fault that Southwark can&#039;t keep their side of the deal and maintain to a decent standard. This is why the woodlands are in poor condition. With proper maintenance work they can be restored, made safe and accessible and enhance the park.
Southwark haven&#039;t said the parks maintenance budget is increasing, so we worry that acres of proposed new gardens look lovely on a plan, but in reality could end up looking like the Dry Garden (behind the church). It&#039;s our only area of ornamental planting and they are unable to maintain it.

Having said that, many of the proposed ideas are great, but with limited money, surely we are better off addressing those issues that affect local people directly, ie play, safety, maintenance and wildlife.
Finding a way to get the most out of the money available, to address the problems of the park, to build on what has already been done and to create a park for the future.
This will give us what we need now, and create the foundation for further development when money does come in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of community groups do in fact support the position of the Burgess Park Action Group, including the Friends of Burgess Park who have done considerable work consulting with the local community over the past 2 years. We have worked hard with other groups to arrive at a consensus, to suggest that Southwark Council spend the money on the essentials.<br />
If only the £30M pounds Southwark say they need to complete the masterplan was available. We could all sleep at night. Unfortunately, there is only a guarantee of £4.5M, and surely we would like the money spent in the most useful and practical way.<br />
More money may come, but when? 5 years? 10 years?<br />
£100&#8242;s of thousands of pounds have been spent over the last 10 years improving the park. Do you really think it&#8217;s sensible to trash this work? Many local people have been involved in planting and maintaining these projects. It&#8217;s not their fault that Southwark can&#8217;t keep their side of the deal and maintain to a decent standard. This is why the woodlands are in poor condition. With proper maintenance work they can be restored, made safe and accessible and enhance the park.<br />
Southwark haven&#8217;t said the parks maintenance budget is increasing, so we worry that acres of proposed new gardens look lovely on a plan, but in reality could end up looking like the Dry Garden (behind the church). It&#8217;s our only area of ornamental planting and they are unable to maintain it.</p>
<p>Having said that, many of the proposed ideas are great, but with limited money, surely we are better off addressing those issues that affect local people directly, ie play, safety, maintenance and wildlife.<br />
Finding a way to get the most out of the money available, to address the problems of the park, to build on what has already been done and to create a park for the future.<br />
This will give us what we need now, and create the foundation for further development when money does come in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park – The EQ view by Burgess Park project manager</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/07/05/burgess-park-the-eq-view/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgess Park project manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southwark Council is holding a series of consultation events this month on the plans for the park. 

The first event at Burgess Park was last night, with lots of feedback. 

We&#039;d like to urge anyone with an interest to come to the remaining ones - details on our facebook page: www.facebook.com/burgesspark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southwark Council is holding a series of consultation events this month on the plans for the park. </p>
<p>The first event at Burgess Park was last night, with lots of feedback. </p>
<p>We&#8217;d like to urge anyone with an interest to come to the remaining ones &#8211; details on our facebook page: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/burgesspark" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/burgesspark</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Burgess Park plans in the media by Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/06/12/burgess-park-plans-in-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but you are being deceptive.  There are not 17 community groups on board with you.  You have some members of some groups, but the groups themselves have not officially endorsed your position.  If you can show me where there memberships ´have voted, via constitutional means, I will recant.  But they haven&#039;t.  Yes, a few &quot;groups&quot; (two people operating a silly website) may have endorsed it.  But not a groundswell of support representing the vast majority of people who support the plans.  Southwark and Boris should be applauded here - after years of neglect, things are happening and we were consulted to death.  Move forward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but you are being deceptive.  There are not 17 community groups on board with you.  You have some members of some groups, but the groups themselves have not officially endorsed your position.  If you can show me where there memberships ´have voted, via constitutional means, I will recant.  But they haven&#8217;t.  Yes, a few &#8220;groups&#8221; (two people operating a silly website) may have endorsed it.  But not a groundswell of support representing the vast majority of people who support the plans.  Southwark and Boris should be applauded here &#8211; after years of neglect, things are happening and we were consulted to death.  Move forward!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tesco store – nearly here by Phil Bale</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/05/11/tesco-store-nearly-here/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard Tesco have finished some changes to utilities in front of the store but just need the Council to put in a new lay bay for customer parking/deliveries before the store can open - anyone&#039;s guess how long that could take!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard Tesco have finished some changes to utilities in front of the store but just need the Council to put in a new lay bay for customer parking/deliveries before the store can open &#8211; anyone&#8217;s guess how long that could take!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tesco store – nearly here by Louise Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.evolutionquarter.org/2010/05/11/tesco-store-nearly-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know what date its due to open? Saw the gap in the wall for the ATM, so guessing it&#039;ll happen soon, yay!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know what date its due to open? Saw the gap in the wall for the ATM, so guessing it&#8217;ll happen soon, yay!!</p>
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